Dignity is great and all but it doesn’t make houses when there aren’t enough. That’s two different problems.

We are on about new ones.

If you won’t accept the most basic, basic, basic ideas about economics. Then yes congratulations you can’t be taught something. I wouldn’t be proud of that.

You really need to look into why those things are bad ideas because they seen like good ideas until you actually more than superficially look at them.

Especially rent control it is an awful, awful idea and leads to bad outcomes for everyone. But people refuse to learn about it and think it’s a good idea. Go look up some YouTube videos on what’s wrong with rent control. That will have comparisons to a lot of other things.

The problem is there isn’t enough housing. Stop housing from being rented doesn’t make more housing, it will actually make less.

The only actual good idea on that list is government building. But the issue governments have is the exact same issues as what companies have. Laws and NIMBY stop people from redeveloping areas that people live in or near. There just isn’t any more land to build on that’s available and with governments forcing population to increase and how everyone wants to live in big cities the issues gets worse and worst.

The solution lies in building more housing, nothing else. If there isn’t enough housing literally nothing makes more housing than building more housing or converting no other solution works.

Haha yea.

I hadn’t seen wasabi before so I always remembered it and wondered what wasabi tasted like.

What are you proposing then. Shoulder to shoulder includes everything that isn’t detached.

How would less dense housing be cheaper when you need to buy more land and land is the thing that is expensive? Never mind things like utilities, public transport, police etc.

You’re talking about keeping density low as a means to keep house prices low. It’s stupid.

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I think you will find some of the most high density housing in the world is very expensive. What are you even on about. Land is expensive. You think detached housing is the cheapest way to build houses? You’re out if your mind. Supply and demand. Locals could live in the houses if other people weren’t coming in and buying them. How many immigrants are living in these countries? Why dont you compare that to vacant housing? The vacant housing is only a big issue in undesirable locations and you need some anyway. Like I said LVT is the way forward. Solves this problem.

There isnt a ton sitting empty. Dome need to be empty obviously for people to move in and out and for renovation. But even that isn’t enough to satisfy demand.

Your plan is more housing restriction and let me guess the awful idea that is tent control? Neither of these prevent the issue of lack of supply. Thats where the solution lies.

Of course governments need to enforce building standards. Things like public transport and density.

But at the moment the government is the one stopping more housing, especially higher density. If you allowed business to build more houses they would.

Government spending do to what exactly?

I have no issue with government spending. If fact I think the government should buy all the land. That’s my proposal. But housing will be built more efficiently by the market. Governments are inefficient.

You’re an idiot. You’re not going to build that much in 1 year.

If you did have that much work being done in Barcelona money would flood in from elsewhere also. Especially the EU.

The industry in Spain is worth $206.4 billion per year. Money would be found.

What’d the solution to a fundamental lack of housing stock then?

If there is a shortage of housing what do you actually propose to make more housing?

You can’t possibly think 1% of housing will solve this problem never mind for a generation even for short term it won’t solve anything.

I didn’t say any of that.

Airbnb is 1% of the stock having been formed in 2007. How much do you think immigration has increased by since 2007? Less than 1% of the population?

You really think freeing up 1% of housing stock is going to magically mean everyone that wants to buy a house now suddenly can?

Ultimately it is a supply and demand issue.

Supply is artificial restricted because no one will build because either they simply can’t or the value is going up too much that there is no point (which can be solved) and population is increasing.

If you built a shit load of homes there would be both more houses to rent/buy and more Airbnb options. Honestly the airbnb option in a lot of places is a problem because large hotel can’t be built.

There are 827,557 residential homes in Barcelona. There are 10,101 airbnb properties. That’s about 1.2%.

What you think happens if Barcelona builds another 100,000 houses/hotels?

This website won’t like this. But it’s a failing of the market and it could be fixed by capitalism.

Removing restrictions on housing density, and where houses can be built and adding a Land value tax would help things. Also obviously less immigration would solve the demand side of the equation. I think countries should stop focusing on the ever increasing growth of countries and we should focus more on things like free time.

But really the solution to this is A build a new city or B destroy large parts of a city that were built when the city size was 10% it size and built more density, modern building standards, public transport etc.

But the boomer generation don’t give a fuck about the next generations so probably have to wait for them to die.

My Japanese friend did this. I always wondered if you was meant to (I seen them do it on Jackass).

Since then I just assumed it was the right thing to do.

Thats in total. A lot can be hidden in averages. I agree that immigration can be good.

But break that down by country and by other metrics like education and skills. Things look a lot different.

Most people don’t have an issue with immigration as such. They care about the type of immigration, and that never seems to come up in discussion.

https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark

Instead of training locals they hire foreigners. Instead of raising wages due to market forces they hire foreigners. Instead of letting house prices go down they get foreigners.

All the things that the average working class person cares about. Cheap housing, jobs, job training. Is pushed further and further away from them and instead what benefits the landowners and business owners is given to them.

The best bit is the left who used to push for work for locals has been taken on the ride and basically say if anyone is against immigration in anyway is racist and will not discuss it under any circumstance. The only people that listen to the working class is the far right. It’s literally the only answer that’s why people are going to them.

On top of that most people are not against immigration as such. No one minds people who have values of the country, who are educated and hard working.

But what do the stats say, literal government stats, that the people that come in are less educated than the locals, they take more from the country and they commit more crime. At least some of them, or from some countries. These are the people that the locals want to stop. But the left says its racist to even talk about this and will do nothing about it, for the right they benefit due to being land or business owners. So who is remaining? The far right.